Ilford Classic A Little Too Warm

I have a bunch of different photos that I printed on my Canon IP4000
using Canon ink and Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper and Ilford
Classic Pearl.
I want to standardize on these two primary papers depending on the look
I am after. Later I may even add a matte and a specialty paper.
The Ilford Classic Pearl gives me a mixed bag. I like the finish and
the way it feels but one of the following or maybe both is true:
1. The result is too warm
2. The result favors too much red.
For example I have a portrait of a girl with nice blonder hair. When
printed on the glossy using the proper profile for that paper the hair
looks just way it should. When the same photo is printed on the Ilford
Classic Pearl with the proper profile provided by Ilford the hair has a
warmer cast and the flesh tones also have a warmer cast. It is to the
point where it is too warm for my liking.
Color Mgt is turn on in Photoshop and off in the Printer Driver.
I know that you can play around with color using many different tools in
Photoshop but I cannot get the results of the Pearl to match the glossy.
What is the best (step by step if possible) way to change the color
temperature using Photoshop 7?
Also what is an alternate way using Photoshop 7 to not only cool down
the photo but reduce the amount of reds? I know there is Color Balance,
Hue, and a 3rd adjustment under Layers--Adjustment Layers that can
affect the color but I do not know the best one to use and just how much
to move each slider.
The prints also come out warmer than what I see on the screen and my
monitor is calibrated as best I can.
My source color is Adobe RGB 1998.
The main thing to emphasize is that what I see on the screen closely
matches what the glossy print looks like.

Measekite

Re: Ilford Classic A Little Too Warm

"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> schreef in bericht
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I think you just found out why there are so many different kinds of papers.
Every kind has its own colors.
Your'e solution therefore, is finding the right paper for you're purpose.
kr
Aad


Aad

Re: Ilford Classic A Little Too Warm

Yes, I downloaded it from Ilford and am using it.


Measekite

Re: Ilford Classic A Little Too Warm

I assume you are using the Ilford profile for the Ilford paper?
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Pete D

Re: Ilford Classic A Little Too Warm

I ran some tests. I printing 3 photos, two on Ilford Galerie Classic
Pearl and the other on Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy which I believe
to be Ilford Galerie Smooth Glossy.
On the second Pearl Photo I made a Color Balance Layer and reduced the
red and added some cyan. The result of this print closely matched the
Glossy Print while the original Pearl was on the warm side making the
blond hair look a little like a strawberry blonde, attractive but not
what I want.
Now I know what to do. I did let the Pearl photos dry for 24hours. I
do not want the instant dry nanopourous Smooth Pearl because of the gas
fading and the fact you need to put them behind glass. If you need to
do that then why have Pearl since nobody will see the effect. That is
why I choose Classic for my OEM Canon Printer ink.


Measekite

Re: Ilford Classic A Little Too Warm

I presume you are using color management properly with a hardware calibrated
monitor.
In my experience pearl/luster papers do not print with the over-all accuracy
of glossy papers. Often prints have what might be called warm, sepia or some
other similar characteristic compared to the same print on glossy paper.
As you obviously realize part of the art of printing is understanding the
characteristics of different paper surfaces and what that can impart to the
final image.
Pearl/luster papers are just not as versatile as glossy papers for all round
printing. In my experience they are best for portraits/pictures of people, a
subject many people use software warming filters to enhance. I am sure other
people have other preferences.
Sad to say but Canon color management in my experience is not all that
reliable for their own papers, let alone other manufacturer's papers.
With persistence you can learn to tweak the color driver settings to get
reasonably predictable results if it is worth the effort to you in order to
use a particular type of paper.
I am not sure you want to invest in printer calibration equipment or have
custom printer/paper profiles generated for you but that is another option.
I have fooled around with the Monaco Optix system which uses a flatbed
scanner as an intermediary. I felt it somewhat improved results from my
Canon printer but if you already have a satisfactory monitor calibration
device I would stick with that and play with the printer driver settings.


Bmoag

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