New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Hello. I haven't posted to this newsgroup before. I'd like to see how
much better/worse my Dad's old Nikon F SLR is than a low-end point and
shoot digital (Canon PowerShot A620) I bought this past summer.
I bought an F user's manual (circa 1962), two rolls of 400 speed film,
and would like to do the following with this camera...in late September
and throughout the "red maple" part of Northeast U.S. autumn:
1) Take photographs at relatively close range of individual, peak or
"past-peak" red maples. By relatively close range I mean no more than
50 feet away.
2) Take photographs in early morning--which, in the Northeast U.S.
autumn, often ensures fog. I would actually desire more rather than
less fog, because--
3) I would like individual maples, which will be the subject of my
photographs, to be in as sharp a focus as possible, with the background
forest's clarity or lack thereof of negligeable importance.
4) Under no circumstances do I want *any* sunshine in these
photographs.
5) If it needs stating, then-- I do not want to use any source of
artificial light.
Because I am an absolute novice, I'd like suggestions of aperture and
shutter settings, and any other germane thing peculiar to Nikon F 35
mm.
Part of my dislike of my digital camera is what *I* call "indifferent"
depth of field. In fact, I got into a very unpleasant and ad hominem
argument on another photography group because (in my opinion--I stress
"opinion"), what is called "perspective" and what is called "depth of
field" in analog photography are both uniformly unnatural in digital.
Let me stress once more that this is my layperson's, acolyte's,
opinion...which prompted several of the posters on the other newsgroup
to recommend film photography to me.
Rather than get into another brouhaha with hobbyists, learned amateurs,
and/or professionals on this or another group, I decided I could easily
avoid the entire issue by choosing to photograph my red maples on a day
where depth of field and perspective are both moot--i.e., in
mild-to-moderate fog.
Thank you for reading this post and for any suggestions.

Jules Vide

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

I tried that. No good. It kept attracting mayors. Bob Hickey


Bob Hickey

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Just making sure; you do know that depth of field changes with the
aperture, increasing as you close the diaphragm?
So a 35mm f/2.0 lens will have a fairly shallow depth of field a f/2.0
but at f/16.0 everything between 90 cm and infinity will be "in focus".
I use quotation marks because there is no real focused/unfocused border,
it's a matter of degree and what you consider acceptably focused.


Chris Loffredo

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

The 35mm f/2.0 wide angle lens has (relatively) shallow depth of field
because of its large maximum aperture (f/2.0).
Any long focal length lens will have *much* shallower depth of field,
unless you close the diaphragm waaay down.
As an example, a 35mm lens at f/8.0 focused to 2 meters will render
objects between 1.3 and 5 meters (relatively) sharp.
A 200mm lens at f/8.0 focused to 2 meters will have a "sharp" zone
extending between about 1.98 and 2.02 meters.
Notice a difference?
What "low light" aspect are you looking for in a wide angle lens?


Chris Loffredo

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Here's what my "Official Nikon F and Nikkormat Manual," Amphoto
Editorial Board, Fifth Edition, 1969, page 42 says: "The extremely wide
aperture of the new 35 mm f/2 Auto-Nikkor makes it the easiest of all
wide angle lenses to focus since depth of field is so shallow. In
addition, it's splendid for low light photography."
I'm not debating what you say; it's just that I'm shopping for a wide
angle lens specifically because of the "low light" aspect. I agree I
need some basic photography course or book, anyway, so thank you for
the input.


Jules Vide

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

It's a nice film: Not as fine-grained as T-Max or other modern films, it
has exceptional latitude and tonal range and a nice "look" to it.
Apparently there are two versions of the film being sold as "Adox": One
is the Efke I mentioned, packed by Fotoimpex in Berlin and also exported
to the US, another (IIRC) packed in Canada using a decent, but much less
characteristic Czech film.


Chris Loffredo

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Good thanks. I have seen that before online a couple years ago, now I am
searching for film online and am seeing a lot of places that sell desireable
and artistic quality stuff, Adox thin emulsion and high in silver really
sounds incredible. I think, for a while, all there was was "film for classics",
now I see much more is everywhere.
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AAvK

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Quite the opposite: Wide angles lenses will give you even more depth of
field.
If you want to isolate objects at a middle distance with the background
(and foreground) out of focus, you need to use longer focal lengths
(105, 135, 180, 200mm etc.)


Chris Loffredo

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Would a wide lens (20, 35mm) solve the "shallowness" problem?


Jules Vide

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Which is largely why I am against all taxes except income tax....Once you
have paid your income tax, then you should be allowed to do anything you
want with what little money you have left over, and the government, having
already gotten theirs, should just leave you the f*** alone........To do
otherwise is double taxation, and discriminates against people according to
their desires and hobbies, and not according to the benefits they receive
from the government.


William Graham

Re: New Nikon F (!) User/Leaf Chaser

Two answers:
1. I moved here, not came on vacation.
2. They often searched luggage of toursits and especialy returning citizens.
One trip I came back on, I made sure to have my US passport sticking
out of my pocket, and looked like a poor slob.
A friend of mine walked through the customs line and did not realize
he was being flagged down. The customs agent ran after him and made
him come back and x-rayed his luggage.
If they thought that you were not a tourist and bringing things to stay
you had to put up a bond (a credit card slip would do) for the taxes due.
This was also the case for returning residents, who had the choice of
declaring things and paying the tax, hoping they would not get stopped,
or get caught and pay the three times the tax due, as a penalty.
I had similar experiences coming home to the U.S. from England in
the 1980s. There was a much higher excemption, the taxes due were
a flat 10% and the customs agents were a lot more lenient.
One trip I brought back some Roman coins that were worth a total of
$10, but made the mistake of declaring them. The customs agent was
required to inspect them, and I had to open my suitcases and find them.
If I had not declared them and just included them in my $1000 excemption,
he would not have cared.....
I've heard a story of someone who brought a bunch of Hasselblad stuff
here with him as a tourist around 1985. He immediately went into a camera
store and sold it. Then he went to the police and reported it stolen.
The police called all the camera stores and told them about the stolen
cameras, the store told the police, and the guy was arrested and spent
three months in jail.
Now that cameras, laptops, and pocketable personal electronics (there is
a size limit on them) are taxed only for VAT (Value Added Tax, similar to
a sales tax), the customs people don't bother.
If you come through the line with a laptop or camera still in the box,
they will stop you, but now they are mostly concered with cigarettes,
jewelery, TV sets, DVD players and booze.
The problem is the customs people at the post office. They delight in
screwing the small guy, business don't go through them. All of the delivery
services (FEDEX, DHL, UPS, etc) have a deal where they always charge you
the highest possible taxes. Business don't care as they get them refunded
anyway, private individuals are not going to put in the effort to get
them refunded or appeal.
Geoff.
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