Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

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What we have here is a fully featured smaller 3fps D200 . . . . at half
the price.
Production of 1,000,000 a year will not meet demand.
Nikon have raised the bar.
In the UK the Sony Alpha A100 after 7 days had the price discounted by up to
20 percent.
If Sony intend to grab DSLR market share they will have to flood the market
with cut-price entry level DSLR's.
Deryck

Deryck lant

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

In article <rlp3bbwhoaa.fsf@morgoth.tuug.fi>, toni@tuug.fi says...
The viewfinder is awesome on the D80. I'd go so far as to put it on a
par with the D2X/D2H. Compared to the D70/D50 it's like night and day. I
don't think any DSLR finder will compare with the likes of an F100 or F5
though. Haven't used any of the other cameras you mentioned, apart from
an A-1, but I can't remember what the finder was like on the A-1.
Unfortunately they don't offer metering at all. To get that you have to
go for the D200 or D2X/H. I recently got a used D2H and I am using all
my manual focus lenses on it without any problems. You can even get
matrix metering with them because you feed the lens info into the
camera's database and simply select which lens you have on the camera
using the custom function button.
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DD

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

DD <figure.it.out@d_____d____.com> writes:
How much better is the viewfinder exactly? I haven't used a D200 but
have tried a D70 and didn't like the viewfinder. Viewfinders I
regularly use and like are the Canon FTb, A-1 and T90 stock
viewfinders, so any comparison against the D70 and old Canon
viewfinders would be appreciated.
Well, it's GOT to be at least a bit darker than the viewfinder on a
good 35mm film camera, right? Since the mirror is smaller.
I am pretty much open to any brand of DSLR as long as it feels
comfortable in my face and my hand (I am a left-eyed shooter),
it can be used to take good pictures and has a viewfinder I
like looking at... as I own no glass that can be used with any
D-SLR, other than the Zenitar 16mm fish-eye.
Am I correct in assuming the D70/D70s/D50/D80 cameras only offer fully
manual exposure for non-CPU lenses? No metering at all? This is a
slight bummer, as I would like to be able to attach any random old
lens or beer bottle bottom to the camera and have it automatically
select a shutter speed for me.. or at least display a
match-needle-equivalent metering response when I select shutter
speeds, like my FTb does.


Toni Nikkanen

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

In article <313030303138393544D9D1AC81@deryck.com>, deryck@deryck.com
says...
I handled this camera on Friday night at a preview held for invited
guests by Nikon.
The only major improvements on the D70s I can see are the much better
viewfinder (on a par with the D2 series) and the bigger LCD screen.
Other than that I see no reason to "upgrade" from a D70.
This new camera doesn't come close to the D200.
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DD

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

Stops are routinely used in photography to refer to factors of two of
light.
Yes, the total contrast that can be handled by the recording medium.
But Photoshop is optimized for efficient processing, cameras are optimized
for storing image data efficiently.
Different requirements, different results.
There isn't. At least not in the camera. Certainly creating 48-bit deep
image in the camera will be a complete waste of bandwidth and storage
capacity.
It is stupid in the context of DSLRs. The use of A/D converters that
have a 16-bit accuracy is most cameras completely wrong. Resources spend
on that part are much better spend elsewhere.
Even showing posterization in properly processed 8-bit/ch files is very
hard. (Without proper processing anything can happen). People have been,
rather unsuccessfully, trying to show that 16-bit/ch files are better
than 8-bit/ch. There are a few examples where you might see a difference.
With 12-bit/ch RAW I'm not aware of any examples that show posterization.
But if you can post a URL showing properly processed 12-bit/ch RAW
files with posteration, I'd like to see it.
Scanning film has almost nothing to do with direct digital capture.
As I said, scanning film has almost nothing to do with direct digital
capture.
Try to read something about sensors.
If you get better results with your scanner, go for it. I like film,
so most my images are on film, and I scan the film later.
However, there is no way that scanned 35mm film at ISO 400 will give
better results than just a D80 at ISO 400.
Only large pieces of film, or very slow film, is better than 10 Mpixel
APS-C DSLRs.
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Philip@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg)

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

What do "stops" have to do with the quality of an originally created file in bit
depth???
You mean exposure latitude? Compared to digital?
This I knew, no point in turning a 36/12 or 24/8 file into 48/16, as nothing is
gained in image quality by doing it. But that's what Photoshop does with my
36/12 files anyway.
other than that...
Well, there is every point in a sensor's capability to create a 48/16 bit file to begin
with. That's what I am yakking about. Once a 48 bit file enters Photoshop,
Photoshop then calls it 16 bits. That means 16 bits red, 16 bits green, and 16 bits
blue = 48 = perfect. And that's the only way to do it, as originally hardware created.
Look at something called "posterization" in lower bit files. THAT adds up to "less"
color and detail. You cannot add detail in photoshop to a 24/8 bit file and call it an
honest original in pure photography, unless it is an *intended* work of art, as such.
My point is the chip's capability, which isn't enough. However scanning a trans-
parency to 48 bits IS enough even if you gain limited enlargement capability as a
result of the size of the film. Film is pure imagery by chemical flow, there are no
pixels involved there.
The size of the film determines how big the scan can become, which in turn
determines how big the final print can become.
Sensors that deliver 48 bit files do exist. Currently mine delivers 36/12 bits, until
I upgrade. It's a scanner.
I remember a few years ago (maybe two), there were massive arguments in the digital
NG concerning all this crap, mostly against the Foveon chip and for the "Bayer" and
CMOS designs. Doesn't matter to me. If a scanner can do it and a camera cannot, I'll
take the film and the scanner. How confused am I now? Because I feel the resulting
image is what matters, and whatever it takes to attain it.
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AAvK

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

The message <313030303138393544D9D1AC81@deryck.com>
from deryck lant <deryck@deryck.com> contains these words:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D80/D80A.HTM
Another excellent indepth preview.
Deryck


Deryck lant

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

Most likely, the sensor delivers 12-bits. This is more then enough, given
that people used to be happy with the 5 stops you get in slides and the
about 8 stops you get in prints.
Slides certainly can't handle 12 stops and I doubt that many people will be
able to get 12 stops out of print film either.
Obviously, there is no point in writing 16 bits to a file when the sensor
delivers 12 bits.
The '48 bit' comment suggests that you are seriously confused about how
(Bayer pattern) sensors work. Maybe you should read up on them before
demanding sensors that deliver 48-bit files.
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could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
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Philip@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg)

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

The big issue for me, and I suspect many others, is upgrading.
I did not like the D70 when I first got it. Now you would practically have
to peel it out of my cold, dead hands.
Going from 6 to 10mp in itself is not a dealmaker as I rarely print greater
than 8.5 x 11 and the quality of images from the 6mp sensor is satisfactory.
Having to ditch my investment in compact flash cards is not appealing.
Noise and dynamic range of the 10mp sensor are not significantly better than
the 6mp sensor.
However the viewing system of the D70 really, really stinks and the
magnified pentaprism of the D80 could make the investment worthwhile.
..


Bmoag

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

An NEF file type of "12-bit compressed" RAW? Rediculous for artistic work, not enough
of a file. As an artist I would want a full 48/16 bit file for total color and detail in every
respect that can be provided by medium and large format FILM and 48 bit scanning, not
that I'm there yet... sorry I just had to comment.
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AAvK

Re: Nikon D80 Hands-on Preview

<-- the market that the camera is targeted won't even bother swapping from
the 18-135 DX lens
or for a more 'pro' feat .. they will grab the 18-200 VR.
A pro friend of mine even uses his 30D with the 28-300 L IS USM lens for
event coverage [he's a journalist] and that's it.
It amazes me too most of the time :D
but if you are someone who needs to use Noct-Nikkor, 28 / 85 micro PC lens
for your bread and butter lens ... you surely can afford a D200 at least.
SD ? its cheap already .. why bother? You can still keep your 10GB worth of
CFs for your CF cam and grab another 4GB for this cam.
2x 2GB Sandisk Ultra II is very economical nowadays. [1x 2GB SD can hold
around 170 RAW shots of the D80]
Weather seal .. it depends. most ppl that will be using this camera to cover
the event .. the event itself will hide for cover if rain comes .. so ?
11 AF OTOH is a great feature so you can play a fool and compose odd shots
that was hard to do with lock n pan method for the amateur users.
=bob=


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