Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

I have been using Epson 2450 to scan slides. However, I have trouble
scanning 35mm film. It is not easy to insert the film in the film
holder, the film gets damaged. I have been avoidung scanning films
because it seems so tedious. Also, the scan quality was very poor.
Please advise whether anyone had similar problems, and what could be
done about it.

PO

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:36:43 GMT, "Nicholas O. Lindan" <see@sig.com>
wrote:
I have also seen all those auctions that are hardware-only. I think
what happens is this: The film recorders were used in instructions
like colleges or hospitals. These are large organizations, with a
department specifically devoted to selling off no longer used
equipment. So someone in a "user department" decides the film
recorder is surplus. So somebody from the "used equipment disposition
department comes by, puts the scanner on a cart, and takes it to the
user equipment disposition department. Then that department runs a
sale, perhaps an auction, where all kinds of stuff is sold off, from
typewriters to trucks to old PCs.
The reason that the instruction is getting rid of the film recorder is
that nobody wants it or uses it any longer. And like any other old IT
equipment, support and expertise evaporates as people move on to new
jobs and assignments.
There is even a website of a company that sells recorders and recorder
software, that warns about this very situation. Here is a quote from
their web site:
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In addition, almost all this equipment also comes without any driver
software, interface hardware, or cables to actually operate it. This
is particularly true of film recorders. It is sad how many calls and
emails we get from people who have just bought a film recorder on the
internet for a few hundred dollars and want to get it running, and
they are shocked to find out that the software and/or required
interface board to run it costs $1000-$2000 or more, or worse yet,
that the only driver software available is for DOS or Mac OS6 only, or
even that the software and/or required interface board is not
available at any price for any operating system! They have just
purchased a very expensive paperweight! Many of the ads for this used
equipment say that "the driver software is downloadable from the
manufacturer's web site". This is absolutely untrue! NO current driver
software for any film recorder is downloadable for free from any
manufacturer's web site. All that is downloadable from their web sites
are patches to the driver software, but you must first have a paid
copy of the driver software to install the patches.
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To see the full page, go to http://computergraphicsgroup.com/, and
then click on the SALE PRODUCTS button on the left side of the page.
Scroll down to CAUTION - Read This Before You Buy Used Equipment!!.
I am hoping against hope that someone out there has a less expensive
solution than Palette Plus @ $495.
Father Kodak


FatherKodak@kodak-not-really.com

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

This is also the issue with old drum scanners and
film scanners. You might be get the machine for
cheap, but the software is another story.
rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com


Rafe b

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

"Father Kodak" <dont_bother@IDontCare.COM> wrote
I haven't seen a single one on ebay that didn't say "No
software, cables or interface cards."
What are the people who take these out of service
[not]thinking?
Do they believe it is like cleaning MS Office off a
corporate PC before selling it and so they destroy the
floppies?


Nicholas O. Lindan

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:20:34 GMT, no_name <no_name@no.where.invalid>
wrote:
No_Name,
I am also interested in this. Do you have any specific information on
makes/models?
I've looked into this a little bit, and it seems that the Achilles
Heel issue is going to be software to drive the film recorder. Is
that also your view?
Father Kodak


Father Kodak

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

I've had good luck scanning 35mm slides and negs using the Epson
Perfection 4490, which runs around $200 with $50 rebate (good for
another month, I think).
Take a look at some images I scanned using it at:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=664769
--
CRAIG BAILEY <ccb@floydianslip.com>
Winooski, Vt. USA
www.floydianslip.com


Craig Bailey

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

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Glad to help. Yes, that protective film is sometimes hard to even see and
you don't think it is there. I store my negatives in an archival sheet that
I buy from Century Photo Products. There are many places out there that
sell them though. (Make sure it is archival if you store them that way.) I
bought the 2450 after reading about it in Shutterbug magazine. The author
said he was impressed with the quality for a flatbed. I got into a
discussion once with a guy that was telling another person to not bother
with flatbeds as they were poor quality. I sent him a scan of one of my
pictures and he came back and said that he needed to look at the new
scanners out there. That was a couple years ago, so I suppose the new ones
are better. If I was going to have a 20 X 24 done, I would not use this
scanner but for general stuff, it is super. I think you will like it now.
It might also be too that if it isn't sharp, the focus might be off.
However, first make sure the negative you are scanning is super sharp. It
should be one that was taken with a tripod with the aperature set right and
no wind. Also, a shutter release cord or self timer. That is the negative
to test your scanner against. Have fun whatever you do. Ric in Wisconsin.


Ric Trexell

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

Ric:
After your response I tried again and it is working good enough for a
slide show on TV.
Some of the films have a protective paper. I believe that this should
be removed. Please advise.
Thanks for your help Ric. It seems I do not have to buy another
scanner at present.
PO


PO

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

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I use an Epson 2450 and my results are rather impressive I think. I have
never had any problem with damaged 35mm film. I'm wondering if your guides
are a little narrow or blocked on your film holder. When I want to remove
my negatives from the holder, I give it a little tap and the negative will
slide down enough to put my finger behind it and push it out. I wouldn't
say the images are good enough for a 20 X 24 but I would guess they are
certainly good enough for a 8 X 10, maybe 11 X 14 size print. Ric in
Wisconsin.


Ric Trexell

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

In my case, It doesn't help to scan at higher resolutions than about 1/2 the
5400 ppi capability that my scanner has.....IOW, if I am trying to read a
license plate or other small sign in the background of one of my slides, and
I can't read it at 2700 DPI, I am not going to be able to read it by
scanning the slide at 5400. This is because when I hand hold the camera and
take the picture with my consumer grade lens, I don't get any better
resolution than that in the slide to begin with. If it isn't on the film,
its not going to help to try to scan it into the computer. Your mileage may
be different from mine. If you use some kind of special very fine grain
film, and use a tripod and the best Leitz lenses money can buy, then maybe
you will be able to see the difference when you scan your stuff at 5400
dpi.....All I know is, I can't.
Back in the 70's, when I was doing my own darkroom work with black &
white 35 mm film, I never tried to make prints bigger than 8 x 10 for much
the same reasons. The grain and general deterioration of the image made it a
waste of time, at least if you are talking about sharpness and detail in the
image. If you are talking about works of art, where sharpness doesn't
matter, then that's a different story......


William Graham

Re: Scanning 35mm Film using Epson 2450 Scanner

Väinö Louekari <vaino.louekari@pp.inet.fi> writes:
I agree, I have ordered a couple of digital prints at 30x45cm (too
bored to do an inch conversion now) size from images shot and
self-developed on Tmax100 and/or Delta 100 and I am very happy with
the results.
I scanned those images at 5400 DPI. Sure, I got more visible grain
when inspected at 100% size on the screen, however when examining the
print at very close range, I'd rather see sharp grain details than
fuzzy/blurry pixels.


Toni Nikkanen

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